Posted by
Shogrensus on Friday, March 30, 2007 4:14:17 AM
How is it possible that a woman as paranoid as Rosie is co-hosting a mainstream TV talk show? Is she serious? Is she merely a pawn of the left, being fed these talking points? While she gives conservatives great fodder, it seems at times like we are watching a train wreck in the making. Today’s show had to have ABC executives talking.
On Iran:
Rosie needs to take her own advice and do some googling to see how many people believe that Iran is justified in holding 15 sailors hostage.
Rosie summarizes the soldiers were shown on television and “they were not visibly injured or tortured” and the woman was shown wearing the traditional headgear and saying they were in the wrong place.
Rosie seems to have no difficulty believing the Iranians are being very kind to these soldiers even though Tony Blair is very concerned. While it is clearly Iran is violating the Geneva Convention by showing the hostages and releasing statements supposedly made by these hostages, Rosie is sympathetic to Iran.
It is ironic that Rosie can put so much trust in the Iranian government when she believes that every person in the custody of the Americans is being tortured every day. I have seen plenty of pictures of the terrorists at Gitmo who have not been visibly injured or tortured. Does this mean we can put to bed the assumption that mass torture is occurring at Gitmo, or as Rosie refers to it- the secret CIA torture prison?
The Iranians allege the British soldiers were in Iranian water and had said that if the Brits say the soldiers were in Iranian water then the Iranians will let them go. Rosie is very cynical that Iran would just take these people into custody for no reason.
Thankfully, we have Elisabeth to try to enlighten the other women on the show. The Iranians might have taken these soldiers hostage in retaliation for the Iranians captured for distributing weapons in Iraq illegally or they may have done it because the UN is trying to pressure Iran to end their nuclear enrichment program.
Rosie pipes in about the “supposed” nuclear enrichment program because Iraq supposedly had a nuclear enrichment program as well.
Message to Rosie: No one disputes the fact that Iran is pursuing a nuclear enrichment program. Ahmadinejad has been very clear about Iran’s intentions and about his hope that Iran will someday be able to blow Israel off the map. This man should horrify Rosie yet she seems to think he is simply misunderstood.
On Iraq and the UN
Distracted by Rosie’s interjection, Elisabeth tries to throw out some reason regarding the war with Iraq by noting Iraq was in violation of 17 UN resolutions. Rosie’s response is to point out that the U.S. violated a single UN resolution by invading Iraq without UN permission.
Rosie asks “If we break the rules of the UN why should any other nation follow the rules of the UN?”
On this point I might agree: the UN is obsolete and has no ability to impose sanctions that seem to work. If only the United States and the rest of the world would ignore the UN.
Rosie continues with her irrational analysis of the situation: “If Iran really did take them and they really wanted to hold them hostage they would have done what they did in the Jimmy Carter error. … If they wanted to hold them, if this was a purposeful attack by the Iranian government to provoke an international incident why would they say we’ll let them go and we’re not going to harm them. We will let them go and we’re not going to harm them but you have to admit that you came into our waters.”
Is it possible for Rosie and her political advisors to be this ignorant? If the soldiers did nothing wrong, they shouldn’t admit to anything.
Iran is trying to get the British government to admit wrongdoing so that the statement can be shown again and again on Iranian television. The government wants to create propaganda to influence the people of Iran to hate and / or fear Britain and the United States.
On Going it "Alone"
Rosie questions: “It’s now Britain and the United States pretty much against the rest of the world. How did this happen?”
If only Rosie could understand that much of the world has no access to information about what is going on in Iran and Iraq, let alone their own countries. Very few countries are in a position to take any action of consequence. China is a communist country that is not necessarily invested in promoting freedom. While Russia is toying with ideas of capitalism, that country also has a long way to go before the people have economic and intellectual freedom. Many European countries have no interest in getting involved in issues related to the Middle East because they live in denial of the danger posed by Islamic fundamentalists.
Elisabeth tries to prod Rosie to clarify her position as to who is in the wrong: Rosie does a “These guys went here … Iran said that’s our water get out of our water…we’re taking you back…Britain says give us our guys… Iran says no you were in our water…say you’re in our water and we’ll give them back.” It seems so simple when Rosie does a little demonstration about how these soldiers crossed an imaginary line and then explains Iran had no choice but to take them…
Rosie then goes on to raise her question about the possibility that governments will fake or incite incidents to get them into wars?
Wink, wink, nod, nod. Our government must have plotted with England to set these soldiers and Iran up. Rosie has no trouble imaging this scenario. This goes back to her Gulf of Tonkin analogy that sunk like a lead balloon. Rosie seems driven to under cut the intentions of our government. She seems to assume corruption within the U.S. government from point one.
Both Joy and Rosie clearly stated that they hope that people around the world know that George Bush doesn’t represent the whole country. Rosie posits: “That’s right. I hope people across the world don’t think what George Bush is doing represents the American people cause the last election showed it does not.”
No one has been able to figure out exactly what the last elections meant but I doubt the average American’s views are in line with the ideology espoused by Rosie. Most of the elections across the country were close, some extremely close. If Democrats persist in this belief that they have some drastic mandate, they will regret it. The overreaching, which has clearly begun, will help George Bush and Republicans as they prepare for the 2008 elections.
Trusting Bush
Elisabeth raises a concern that many people are more likely to trust our enemies than our allies. Her point, while not succinct, seemed to be that people like Rosie O’Donnell would rather assume the worst about our government. It begs the question: Does all of the negative talk about the government create a surge of negativity that really does influence individuals to distrust the United States government collectively and individual politicians specifically?
Joy asserts that people should blame Bush for the problems facing the U.S. because he and his administration are responsible for the annihilation of all of our trust.
Rosie wants to know if Elisabeth trusts Bush as much today as when he first took office.
While Elisabeth tries to answer that in time of war the government has to do things it normally would not do Rosie has to interrupt with: “Nearly everyone in this administration is under indictment or suspicion…nearly every person from Karl Rove to Rumsfeld to Gonzales … what do you have to do to get impeached in this country?” (Committing a crime is generally required.)
Sadly, audience members clap for Rosie as she is breaking down in emotion.
Joy throws out “You have to have Monica Lewinsky come into your office.”
Elisabeth tries to point out that while people laugh and brush it aside, Clinton’s “enjoying himself” with Monica in the office, distracted him from the pursuit of Osama. This point always falls on deaf ears.
War on Everything and Everyone that Undermines America
Marcia Gay Harden says that using the language “War on Terror” is propaganda and she doesn’t like the wording. Come on now- calling it the “War on people who embrace fundamentalist Islam" is just too hard to say without taking a breath.
Even Joy recognizes Ahmadinejad is a bad guy- he wants to wipe Israel off the map…”
Rosie could hardly contain herself: “In America we are fed propaganda and if you want to know what is happening in the world go outside of the U.S. media because it is owned by four corporations. One of them is this one. And you know what go outside of this country to find out what is going on in our own country because it is frightening. It is frightening… Democracy is being threatened in a way it hasn’t been in two hundred years and if America doesn’t stand up we are in big trouble.”
In America, people have ready access to the Internet. There may be four major news stations, but Americans get their information from far more sources than those stations. Good luck to anyone who leaves America in search of the truth. Once in most of the other countries, the American will find that their access to information in America was superior.
If Rosie is so sure that Americans can not get news with diverse viewpoints here- how many newspapers are there in Iran? Who runs the paper in Iran? What about China? Russia? Saudi Arabia? How many countries in the world don’t have internet access readily available for its citizens?
On Capitalism
Marcia Gay Harden started a ridiculous discussion about the U.S. being founded on the notion of capitalism but today we have capitalism run amok. She tries to explain that in the early democracies there was a lot more about community and helping your neighborhood and your country. Now we are in an imperialistic stage. Today's capitalism does not reflect the ideologies of our forefathers.
I love when liberals pretend they care what our forefathers thought. Is Roe v.Wade in line with their thinking. What about the effort to drive all religion from the town square? What about pornography on the internet? The examples go on and on.
Also, in the days of our forefathers, neighbors didn't think they had a right to each others property, people who could work did work, and people generally took responsibility for their own lives.
Capitalists are not the problem in America. America's growing problem: more and more people take without giving and take because they feel entitled, not because they have an absolute need.
On 9/11 and the War in Iraq
Rosie: Do you think the government purposely misled the American people to believe Iraq had something to do with 9/11?
Elisabeth said no. A few people clapped Rosie says “Yes said the crowd.”
Elisabeth asks Rosie if she believes that our government had something to do with 9/11.
Rosie: No but I do think it is the first time in history that fire melted steel. She believes that it defies physics that Building 7 collapsed without explosives being involved. How she thinks the government quickly planted explosives in building 7 is beyond me but...
Rosie is going to get a physics expert to come on the show to explain everything to Elisabeth and the American people. I can't wait for the physics expert from Harvard to enlighten all of us about the rules of Physics.
What will Rosie say if the expert they bring in tells her the building really could have collapse? Stay tuned...